Interviews on the Occupy Wall Street [“OWS”] Moment with the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences

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Translation of Interview One (Almost One Year Ago)

Prof. James Craven’s Views

Zhang Xinning (PhD Candidate of CASS): Most people think that distorted financial institutions, disparity between the poor and the rich, together with the high unemployment rate in the US, are the main causes of the resistance. Do you agree with them? What do you think has led to “Occupy Wall Street?”

James Craven( Tenured Professor from Economics Department of Clark College): I have been going to the demonstrations and talking at length with people from the various segments represented (Gays; Greens; Anarchists; Union representatives; Unemployed; Students; Feminists; Democrats; Green Party; Homeless; various shades of “Left”; Radical Academics; Hippies; etc). Although wealth and income inequality of the U.S. (Gini coefficient same as China overall at 0.5) is the highest of any “developed” capitalist economy, most of the people in the street were not mentioning or protesting this two years ago.

Most did/do not know the numbers or theories behind the inequalities of wealth and income; nor do they know the full implications even in bourgeois theory; but they are reacting at the “meme” (thought virus) level. That is progress in terms of moving from reform of capitalism to wanting to see the end of capitalism and imperialism; but right now there is more of a carnival atmosphere than a climate of unified understanding of and struggle against, capitalism here and US Imperialism abroad and here.

Zhang Xinning:The “Occupy Wall Street” movement seems leaderless, without focused demand. Whom do you think will take the lead of the movement with the spreading of the protest? Will there be a common political aim?

James Craven: Bourgeois culture is by necessity (to create and expand markets and expanded reproduction of capitalism as a system) one of ultra-individualism, greed, selfishness, competition, envy, narcissism, triumphalism, braggadocio, predation and other evils. The people on the “Left” may think we are special and untainted by the bourgeois culture in which we were also raised, but just as a fish in polluted waters will always absorb some toxins in its tissue, so many of the “Left” are infected with the same bourgeois or petty-bourgeois mentalities we decry.

There is so much “single issue-ism” and MY cause is paramount for special notice and concern. That is why my sign that I carry in the demonstrations says: “Liberty [does not equal]”Equal Opportunity to Become an “Oppressor”; Oppose U.S. Imperialism In “Our” Name; (covers all pet issues)”. We have in addition to a kind of carnival atmosphere, where the protesters are being so sweet and nice to the police and providing all sorts of nice photos for them to use, they are pushing for particular pet causes (Gay Rights, Environmentalism; Feminism; Tax the Rich; Reform Capitalism; Forgive all student Debt; More Jobs; etc) and you are correct that no real leadership, except what the bourgeois media selects and appoints as “Leaders”of “the movement”[when there are many and some contradicting the others under one umbrella]. So a lot of what is going on is indeed leaderless, mostly reaction to individual situations with individual and rather uncoordinated protests, and lacking in focus, direction, tactics, strategy, knowledge and experience in mass work and building united fronts against Imperialism and proto-fascism.

Zhang Xinning: The basic contradiction of capitalism is the contradiction between the expanded reproduction and individualism. Do you think that the current financial crisis and the Occupy Wall Street movement have intensified such contradiction?

James Craven: One of the central contradictions of capitalism is the contradiction between the forms of consciousness and basic values necessary for the expanded reproduction of capitalism (petty bourgeois ultra-individualism, selfishness, greed, need for some form of immortality, crude materialism etc) on the one hand, versus, the increasing socialization and integration of the productive forces of capitalism and the need for some social cohesion, integration and cooperative action on the other hand. The result of this on the “Left” in America and Canada is a form of “single-issueism” (Me. ME. ME, MY cause is paramount) that produces the reality of fragmentation and division of movements that may unite in action on a broad range of common interests, but not see that these “single-issues” (environment, homosexual rights, increased taxes on the rich, rural development, union busting, anti-Iraq and Afghanistan illegal wars, feminism,, globalization etc) all flow from one central source: the fundamental nature, contradictions, dynamics, “logic”, imperatives, trajectories, impacts and power structures of di guo zhu yi [imperialsim].

According to the secret “Plutonomy Report” from Citibank, the ultra-rich are worried about the fact that in a one-person-one vote system, the top 1% may have most of the wealth and a good chunk of total income, but they do not have 99% of the potential votes; and thus they fear these kinds of reactions as they openly celebrate plutocracy which is inherently anti-democratic no matter anyone’s definition of “democracy”.

So these demonstrations are important in consciousness raising; and they expose more and more people to the notion that capitalism and imperialism are the number one sources of terrorism today and the main threats to the survival of the whole human race. But they need to take more steps and learn more lessons to arrive at higher stages of consciousness than they presently demonstrate (like demonstrating for more “optimum” arrangement of deck chairs on the Titanic).

I’ve been living under “mei di guo zhu yi” [American imperialism] as an American Indian for 65 years, studying it and struggling against it for over 40 years, and am a veteran of the U.S. Army 1963-66 where I saw the beast from the inside at levels that most soldiers never get to see. As an American Indian, who has lived and worked on the reserves and reservations of America and Canada, and as a tri- national (U.S. Canadian and Blackfoot) I have also seen mei di guo zhu yi (which I regard as the principal and most dangerous source of state-sponsored terrorism today) with and without “mian zhao” [masks] and with and without “tang yi pao dan” [sugar-coated bullets]; it cannot be “reformed”.

Zhang Xinning: “Occupy Wall Street” is spreading through America and other capitalist countries, what do you think it will result in? What kind of influence will have on America capitalist system?

James Craven: As Chairman Mao Zedong warned many times [capitalism survives for a long time under socialism and] socialism may be used to build and restore capitalism [instead of capitalism being used to build and defend the material conditions and foundations of socialism] with the result of the longer-run demise of socialism which has happened in the former USSR and elsewhere. This is why the Chinese youth must be warned, not with slogans but with concrete evidence and reason, that the “di guo zhu yi de mian zhao he tang yi pao dan” [the masks and sugar-coated bullets of imperialism] represent: not freedom but enslavement; not progress and development but backwardness and reaction; not personal ‘liberty’, but personal myopia and self-destructive and socially destructive forms of false freedoms and false liberties associated with narcissism, megalomania, selfishness and the mentality of “wei zi gi fu wu”—which will destroy China and the whole world. I am hopeful in the long-run that imperialism is a doomed system; doomed by the nature and weight of its own internal contradictions and logic.

As Bertolt Brecht said: “In the contradiction lies the hope”.

Interview Two (Recent)

Responses to Questions on the First Anniversary of Occupy Wall Street [OWS]

By Jim Craven/Omahkohkiaaiipooyii

Xining Zhang: I would like to ask you two primary (and some other related) questions: First, how do you weigh the effect of the OWS movement, if indeed you believe OWS and like protests represent a movement, in the past one year, and how will it likely affect America and the whole world?;

Second, what do you think of the development and direction of the movement? Occupy Wall Street [OWS] has been the first large-scale, ideologically diverse and spreading protests since the 1970s in the U.S.

On Sep. 17th, 2012, protesters assembled near the New York Stock Exchange to commemorate the first anniversary of OWS. In the meantime, marches and rallies were held in more than 30 cities worldwide. Demonstrators protested social injustice ignited by insatiable corporate greed of banks and financial institutions like Wall Street and the protesters are still angry that their homes are underwater, that the economy is in disarray due to the ineffective supervision of the American government. To view OWS in a clearer and deeper sense, I interview Prof. James Craven at Clark College.

Response to the first compound question—“How do you weigh the effect of the [“Occupy Wall Street” or “OWS”] movement in the past one year? How will it influence America and the whole world?

I. On developments of OWS over the past one year:

Zhang Xinning: Dear Prof. James Craven, thanks for your responses to my questions on the first anniversary of Occupy Wall Street.

As we see it, since its began on Sep. 17th, 2011, OWS has been viewed as an anti-capitalist protest, or a leftist protest, targeting at the likes of the American “Tea Party”. Parallels are sometimes seen with other movements in terms of demonstrations organized by mostly young people, with advanced social networking technology, to show their dissatisfaction such as in the so-called “Arab Spring” demonstrations or in the protests against high unemployment in Madrid. Participants range from the unemployed, college students, babysitters, nurses, bus drivers to employees and etc. with political status varies from liberals, middle-of-the-roaders, socialists, conservatives to anarchists and libertarians. How can we understand the various claims, as well as forms and levels of participation of the protesters?

James Craven :First of all I still see no evidence of a real “Movement”—yet—only a “Moment”; or, perhaps, several “Moments”, linked mostly by a common label across the country with some demonstrations on symbolic dates mostly of significance to commemorate previous actions and/or that have mostly been conferred as “significant” by the “mainstream media” [“MSM”]. And I do not see strong parallels yet between the OWS “Movement” and the “Arab Spring” demonstrations or demonstrators on several levels.

First I do not believe that many of those in OWS could or would face the levels of violence and State repression that those in the “Arab Spring” demonstrations have faced. In places like Egypt, Yemen, Tunisia and other places the level of state violence and repression is far beyond anything the typical OWS protester has ever faced.

Many of the “Arab Spring” demonstrations are focused against regimes that were installed, supported, protected by U.S. Imperialism; regimes that, by the way, were once trusted to act as destinations for accused “terrorists” under “Extraordinary Rendition” by CIA, for outsourcing torture forbidden by U.S. law. Yet many of those involved in regime change among the “Arab Spring” protesters and insurgents are still begging the same forces of U.S. imperialism for military and other support, appealing to “American-style democracy” and “human rights”, that were behind installing and/or protecting and collaborating with the very regimes they want to change. And the demonstrators involved in the “Arab Spring” demonstrations, among whom Al Qaeda elements are surfacing and taking control, are not “pro-democracy”, pluralists or whatever; and many are not expressing anti-capitalism or even anti-imperialism so much as regime change and “reform” to some system yet unspecified in any detail.

Perhaps if there are parallels they are in the area of shared illusions with those in OWS who appear to have some notion that if you replace a few key individuals, or pass some new sets of laws, all of a sudden, history is gone, and all that history has handed the present is gone; a new system with new outcomes is supposed to pop up, and take root to start producing new outcomes immediately.

From many of the OWS protesters we often hear something like: “Where is MY job?”; “Why can’t I get a bail out for MY mortgage?”; “Why can’t I get a bailout on MY student loan?” And in the same fashion, some of those in the “Arab Spring” and related insurgencies are saying “We want regime change in OUR country; even if it means in alliance with, and promoting illusions about, the very forces of imperialism and reaction (“the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mentality) that installed the very despotic regimes we now demand to be removed. And many of them appear not to care if they are promoting myths and lies about the real nature of imperialism and its effects on other nations and peoples with our begging for direct and open U.S. and allied support for our insurgency. In both cases there appears a kind of self-centered myopia about imperialism and its real nature, victims, logic, interests and intentions globally.

By “Movement”, with a capital M, I mean some organized body of people, with some common issues and interests of focus, as well as structures and mechanisms for collectively deciding such defining dimensions of a Movement. These dimensions include: leadership; platforms; tactics and strategy; funding for ongoing sustainability and activities; internal decision making and carrying out, reviewing and refining decisions; connections with other Movements and organizations; mechanisms for security of the organization and recruitment-training of new members; and the like. None of that is really present within any of the particular “Occupy” demonstrations, or groups within them, past and present.

Any serious ongoing organizational links between the “Occupy” forces in different cities inside America and with those outside as well, appear to be absent and/or sporadic and mostly on levels of personal and sect relationships. The main focus of the various “Occupy” actions in New York City and throughout America appears to be on the “politics of the deed”, some teach-in activities and spontaneous “street theater” of emotion and action. This is followed by periods of inaction and “non-occupation” around various key events and demonstrations.

As in some of the parallel demonstrations abroad related to the so-called “Arab Spring”, they appear to involve very diverse sub-groups, with no shared leadership or any kind of coherent whole organization, who have come together via social media, around some common actions and grievances against common perceived enemies and their regimes. They do not appear to have solidarity or common actions around any kind of coherent plan or program to define what they oppose and articulate some alternative vision of, and replace, what they purport to demonstrate against. That is one of the critical differences between a “Moment” and a “Movement”. History records all sorts of Moments of various forms resistance that had some potential to be turned into Movements; but few that turned into sustained Movements over time.

What I see so far in OWS and related demonstrations elsewhere, is a kind of mélange of different individuals, political sects, and single-issue organizations gathering together at places, and on dates, with symbolic significance mostly to themselves. Demonstrations are essentially annual reunions or “anniversaries” of previous ones. Never mind that some of the previous ones appeared as empty and un-focused, or carnival-like as the present ones. We find themes [multiple] and memes [thought viruses], some of the usual infantile and often alienating chants and rants that rhyme [e.g.: “1, 2, 3, 4, we don’t want your f*cking wars…”; “5, 6, 7, 8, time to smash the f*cking state”] with various single-issue contingents in full regalia. There appears to be a whole lot of standing around waiting for someone to assert something or some kind of “leadership” and then some resenting them when they do.

There also appears to be no real or coherent outreach to the wider public that they seek to recruit and mobilize [efforts to have dialogue with public observers not part of the demonstrations]. This last OWS demonstration was timed to mark the first year anniversary of the OWS demonstrations in New York City. But of course other “Occupy” demonstrations took place prior to that one in New York City, and/or at the same time, and/or subsequent to it in other parts of America and the World.

I have not been to the Occupy site in New York City, but I am in contact with those who have been and/or are presently involved with OWS there. I attend and participate in the demonstrations in Seattle, Vancouver Washington and in Portland Oregon. I read the websites and their supporting materials. But still I am making provisional observations and generalizations to which there are of course notable exceptions; exceptions however that appear to showcase rather than refute the generalizations.

The demonstrations at OWS are all pretty much the same in terms of demographics as in other parts of the U.S. According to two studies of note, at OWS in New York City, the average age of protesters has been in their early 30s (those in 20s balanced out by those in 40s). Among the most visible and theatrical are some anarchists and new left activists from supposed “anti-hierarchical”, “anti-authoritarian” and “consensus-based” politics; some from other “pre-figurative” or “anti-vanguardist-party” politics. They appear proud not to have an evolved and identifiable leadership or spokespersons to the media; and each spokesperson makes a point that he or she is speaking personally, or for one of the groups, but not as a spokesperson for any whole Movement. And in terms of race and ethnicity, and why African-Americans were under-represented [not a word about Indians as usual] one study showed 81.2% white, 6.8% Hispanic, 2.8% Asian, 1.6% Black, and 7.6% identifying as “other”. Gender ratios are not reported but males appear to outnumber females in general. (See primary references such as Infographic: Who Is Occupy Wall Street?”. Fast and other sources at these urls:

[ Retrieved Sept. 19, 2012; Parker, Kathleen (November 26, 2011). “Why African Americans aren’t embracing Occupy Wall Street”. Washington Post. Retrieved Sept 19, 2012].

Many of the signs and issues appear to reflect narrow issues, or issues narrowly seen, presented and disarticulated from other issues. Some of the issues are: wealth-income inequalities; fiscal crises; job outsourcing; deficits and debt; student debt forgiveness; inverted mortgages and housing crises; high and hidden unemployment. They are all effects of a whole system and related in reality but these and other related issues are also often narrowly seen and presented by other—and even competing—constituencies. This leads to fundamentally contradictory overall platforms beyond single-issues in common (like leftist anti-Zionists having anything to do with rightist, even fascist, anti-Semites calling themselves also “anti-Zionists”).

For example, when I was in the U.S. Army 1963-1966, and homophobia was much more pronounced and deadly than today, I knew personally individuals who were heterosexuals and played at being homosexual, as well as homosexuals who “outed” themselves, at great risk and cost to themselves and their futures, in order to avoid their going to Vietnam and participating in the war crimes of another genocidal war, or imperial social systems engineering campaign (like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, Libya, etc…) founded on lies, phony and engineered pretexts, faked intelligence and the like—which is what the Vietnam War was also. And they were not pacifists, and they were not just afraid of war, they actually articulated anti-Vietnam sentiments in the military.

Now we see, including in the OWS demonstrations, advocates of LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual and Transgender) rights, demanding the end of “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policies against homosexuals in the military, with demands to open the military to LGBT individuals “serving” in the U.S. military. There are even some “feminist” demands for women to be allowed in combat [in order to become competitive with the males for promotions with combat experience]. From this narrow constituency, for example, no mention made that they are demanding in essence and reality to serve in imperialist wars founded on lies, wholesale violations of international law and war and other crimes of the kind that Nazis were hanged for at Nuremberg.

They appear to push for no discrimination in the military primarily not only to end discrimination against LGBT persons, but also to become more a part of the “mainstream” of society. But that begs a fundamental question: “mainstream” of what? What does it mean to be “mainstream” in Nazi Germany? It means one is likely a Nazi in thought and deed. What then does it mean to seek to seek to be less “on the margin” of a society, or its military institutions, but with no reference to the real nature of the system of that society? What does it mean to demand equal access to one of its institutions like the military, that is fundamentally militaristic and imperialistic, as well as racist and misogynist, and involving decaying systems built on imperialism, war, genocide and serial denial of rights to many others? It is like narrow feminists seeking, and even defining as “women’s liberation” an “equal opportunity” for women to become torturers at Guantanamo or one of the secret prisons CIA has stashed all over the world.

In other words, many at these demonstrations have been basically demanding the “right” to an “equal opportunity” to become an oppressor. The demand for Jobs, Jobs, and Jobs includes becoming a career tool and servant of U.S. Imperialism with no regard to, or concern for and about, the victims of U.S. imperialism from past and present blowbacks and those clearly being planned for the future. That is why the sign that my son and I carry says:

In his play “The White Plague”, Sean O’Casey’s character notes:

“Nothing is so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction.”

This principle is evident in so many of the Occupy demonstrations in various cities, and in the signs and demands reflected in them. We see students demanding lower tuitions, student debt forgiveness and more jobs available when they graduate. But we see little or nothing about gross inequalities faced by minorities in access to quality education. We do not even see any questioning if, in fact, the traditional ivy-league schools really represent “quality education” as opposed to being the brand-name ideological clone factories of imperialism and capitalist privileges they are. There were even some signs at OWS protests against immigrants, illegal and otherwise, as “job stealers”; and even some anti-affirmative action signs along side of them that use some of the same slogans and memes of the right-wing in the U.S. There is an old saying that “a conservative is a former liberal that has been mugged [robbed] and a liberal is a former conservative who has been downsized or outsourced.”

We see some trade unionists, well-paid union bosses, and laid-off workers demanding jobs back, job retraining, extensions of unemployment benefits and to stop outsourcing jobs (often with a focus on bashing China as “taking ‘our’ jobs”). In fact, this is how the Democrats, traditionally seen as “soft” on defense and national security, pass off their versions of acceptable forms of “tough-talk” on national defense issues: China bashing. Even some of the so-called “leftist academics”, who denounce or call into question generic capitalism as a viable and sustainable system, in their “sage tomes” and writings, have created a whole specialized “Left-China-bashing” academic market niche (journals, books, essays, websites) as they seek and even gain, some kind of “legitimacy” and place in academia by also engaging in their own forms of China bashing.

Often they repeat some of the most vile slander and libel and Cold War memes of even the 1950s against China. And I see no evidence of any knowledge or understanding on the part of these sage leftist academics and protesters, parroting some of the same memes and themes of the rightists, of just what China has had to endure, and still has to endure, from the machinations of U.S. imperialism that have handed some of these academics crumbs and privileges yet that few anywhere on earth enjoy.

Zhang Xinning: If deficits and debt (absolute levels or as shares of GDP) are an issue, then how should we view China as a significant holder of that debt? Why is the debt owed to Canada, Germany, Britain or Japan not seen as threatening? And what about the real issues in reference to budget deficits and debt—such as how and for whom is this debt used? Is the debt being used to build productive capacity and competitiveness in the global economy or to fuel illegal wars that destroy productive capacity and competitiveness globally? What evidence is there that China has ever been any kind of threat to the U.S or other nations? What if China recognized part of America controlled by separatist and secessionist forces, as a separate nation, set up bases on the borders of America, and launched continual covert and overt military operations against America? What if China proposed UN membership for some secessionist entity from America or even proposed that this entity that China helped to create is now the only true representative of all of America?

James Craven:This was all done and is still being done to China (Taiwan, Xinjiang, Tibet, Yunnan, Macao, Hong Kong,) and to other nations as well as part of global campaigns of imperial social systems engineering, encirclement, destabilization and regime change—over and covert. U.S. Imperialism has always believed in the notion of no neutrality and “you are either with us [as we only define what it takes to be “with us”] or against us”.

This is not the past; it is the present and intended future. And when I raised some of these issues with fellow demonstrators, (e.g. some carrying Tibet secessionist signs) one appeared to resent any change in “focus” of the demonstrations from the immediate demand for jobs, debt forgiveness, mortgage adjustments, make the rich pay higher taxes, etc to what they saw as the more “abstract” and “distant” demand: to end all support for U.S. imperialism carried out in the name of those demonstrating.

This is even as China is a past, present and intended future victim of U.S. Imperialism. Instead China is cited as an enemy or potential enemy, with rhetoric as vile as any of the Cold War rhetoric of the 1950s and 60s, and with China (used to be Japan also non-white) mentioned as a specially problematic and threatening holder of U.S. debt, U.S. dollars and destination of U.S. jobs. Never mind that China never forced anyone in the U.S. to borrow to finance out-of-control deficits and debt fueled by two illegal wars and weapons build-up partly aimed at encirclement and containment of China. Never mind that China’s lending helps to keep those interest rates on student, consumer, and mortgage and government debt lower than they would be. Never mind that China has been a victim of imperialism and colonialism since the early 1800s. Never mind that China is still on an active target list of nations, a constant target of weapons systems in constant readiness, in case of nuclear war no matter who is involved, while China, a reluctant nuclear nation, has a no-first-use policy on nuclear weapons and China is the only nuclear nation to have such a policy.

I see some of the same forms and doctrines of Entitlement, Exclusivism, Triumphalism, Exceptionalism, Calvinist-like Predestination and elitism pushed by the U.S. Imperium globally and nationally. I see some of the same hubris on smaller and microcosmic scales among some of the OWS demonstrators. For example many signs carry references to having university degrees but yet being “forced” to do “menial labor” or forms of physical labor “below” and “not” what they trained for at university. There are references to some mythical“American Dream” that, when deconstructed, turns out to be some stereotyped version of middle-class suburbia: kids do better than their parents; a house with a low-interest mortgage; “good job”; kids who go to good schools that are well funded; jobs waiting upon graduation from college; etc. I see and hear repeated references to the mythical “American Dream” even by the demonstrators that: “if you work hard, play by the rules, live a clean life, believe in God, the system will deliver for you in terms of a happy and productive life.” Many of the demonstrators claim this was once the case in America and now this “American Dream” has been hijacked, stolen, lost, misplaced, or something—by the 1% or someone…

Zhang Xinning: Then how to explain whole populations, or large segments of whole populations that have been left destitute for the whole of American history—American Indians; African Americans; Latinos; women. Do they just lack the drive, ambition, will, ability and desire to “obey the law” and “play by the rules”? And what about those small segments of certain groups, the ones from family trees that do not branch, the inbreds, with names like Rockefeller, Lord, Bush, Whitney, Weyerhaeuser and that can be found at venues like Davos, Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, and the like; from families who built their empires through opium, arms trafficking, imperialism, war? What about these types not playing by even their own rules and not even obeying the laws they wrote in their own favor to be obeyed by others?

James Craven: Yes, indeed. That is the logic. If these myths of “upward mobility” for those who work hard and play by the rules, then how to explain the poor and destitute? But the reality is even much deeper than these self-congratulatory and dangerous myths being promoted by some supposed leftist demonstrators. The social formation of America (economy, politico-legal, historical-geographic and social-cultural spheres of the whole social formation) in fact, was founded on genocide, colonialism, plunder, entrenched privilege and inequalities that persist today, slavery and rank hypocrisy.

There never was the America or “American Dream” that some claim has been “lost” or “stolen”; not for the broad masses of people. Howard Zinn’s “The People’s History of the United States” tells a very different history than what is peddled in the school system and even by some of those academics and protesters themselves who have their own revisionist versions of history. And as an American Indian, I can tell you many stories about hubris and racism and patronizing from the American “Left” that is as vile, perhaps more so because they claim to know better, as anything from the Rightists. I have not seen one sign protesting the American Holocaust against Indigenous Peoples but for one example.

In the original U.S. Constitution, Blacks counted only as 60% of a person; but only for census purposes to increase the population base and representation in Congress of the southern slave-holding states. American Indians were asserted to be “dependent and captive nations” to be either assimilated by force or “extirpated” [wiped out in-Toto]. Women could not vote and even white age-eligible males could not vote unless propertied. And elites and chartered monopolies ruled from the very beginning and set up a system that guaranteed that the rich few could rule the many through the law, and without even having to break the law in most cases. And if they did break the law, their punishment for their real crime—getting caught—would not ever be like that of the masses.

I see few references in the signs, rants and theatrics, even about de-classed workers, former middle-class; and the words and reference to “the poor” and chronic poverty in America appear to be absent. The primary focus appears to be on the declining middle-class the supposed central reference in the presidential campaign as well.

There is the notion that America is and was always, somehow destined, by God even, to “world leadership” that is now being lost or threatened. “America-in-Decline” is a common theme and meme. We find whole special sections of literature at chain bookstores like Barnes and Noble, along with other typical “End-Times” or “End-of-Empire” topics as: “Gambling (Texas Hold’em etc); Lotto, and how to win”; Occultism and Occult mysteries; Staying younger longer; “Ancient Prophesies of End-Times”; 2012 and the Maya, Biblical, and other Sacred Texts on End-Times; Rise and Fall of Empires past and present; Survivalism: tools and tactics; Financial investment strategies; etc.

On the television there is a plethora of new television shows, movies, books and cults that glorify CIA, FBI, NCIS, Homeland Security, Seals, Delta Force, NSA, and other covert agencies and forces of U.S. imperialism. They all give the theme and meme of trading away personal liberty and rights for some personal protection from a monolithic and well-armed state that cannot be resisted and will crush you if you dare to resist; but, but will also protect you and keep you safe if, you go along with compliance and non resistance to U.S. imperialism in your name. These are all, plus others, historical signs of an empire in decay.

It is interesting to note that the leading characters in the new movies and TV shows are no longer like the perfect, God-fearing, super-patriotic, suit-wearing, clean-shaven-upright-white-Christian-male of the 1950s and 60s. Now e see a bipolar CIA Case Officer (Homeland); a Delta Force Commander having an affair with the wife of a senior operator he sends out to the field while he diddles his wife (The Unit); a rogue submarine crew gone mutiny and refusing to launch a nuclear strike against Pakistan not properly ordered (Last Resort); an ex-Special Forces/CIA Officer and NSA computer whiz who use a supercomputer built to find and stop terrorists to find and protect everyday people destined for trouble (Person of Interest). The general theme is yes we have some flawed people in agencies like CIA, NSA, FBI and the like, but the institutions can be relied upon and they will keep you safe as long as you are willing to trade away some Constitutional rights to make sure the bad guys and terrorists get caught and stopped.

There is the widespread notion that yes, we should think and go “Green” and be environmentally responsible; and we want the new Green jobs. But as for 5% of the world’s population (Americans) using over 25% of the worlds critical resources and energy, and generating and dumping over 30% of the world’s pollution, there is no mass call for serious reductions to U.S. political, economic and environmental footprints globally proportional to our share of the global population. We do not see much mass objection to: the brutality and terrorism of U.S. Imperialism globally; the grotesque inequalities in access to and use of global resources, as well as gross inequalities in the rewards of growth for a few but social costs of growth on the many.

We see mostly demands for America and Americans to have a bigger share of the spoils from the national or global pies, (“bring OUR jobs home”) but with little regard to the nature, costs and misery of imperialism that have been extracted from the many on a global level to obtain these economic and other pies from which the demonstrators appear to myopically want a larger share. They appear not to apply the 99% to 1% on a global scale and see that on the global level, they, middle-class Americans, are closer to the top 1% than the 99% in terms of overall quality of life.

We see demands to “regulate” or “re-regulate” a generic Wall Street. But little said with any specificity on the core issues: regulation by whom?; regulation of whom?; regulation in whose interest?; regulation of what?; accountability under law by whom, to whom and how enforced? Can we even cite, to be obeyed, the very same law that was written by and for the 1% so they would not have to break it? There appears little notion of a fundamental contradiction in petitioning or begging for change, the very same plutocratic forces, elites, relations and laws (or absence of some laws and regulations) said, by the protesters themselves, to be among the fundamental forces and causes of the misery being demonstrated against. As Einstein put it: “It is not possible to solve any crisis with the same mind-set that caused it.” Or, “insanity is doing the same things [with the same people in the same ways under the same conditions] over and over again—and yet expecting different results.”

Zhang Xinning: How can one rationally decry a State that is alleged by OWS to be bought and paid for by the “Top 1%” or even the “Top 10%”, and yet be making demands, really begging, for “change ‘we’ can believe in” from these very-same forces and agents in government that are alleged to be paid and career tools of the very plutocrats and plutocracy being protested against? What is supposed to make them change and betray those paying them?

James Craven:Exactly. It is like protesting against and asking Nazis纳粹 and their system to reform and now, finally, do something about the evils of anti-Semitism”.

We see signs and slogans with demands to stop foreclosures, restructure existing mortgages to prevent future foreclosures and further collapses of housing markets and prices; demands to restructure consumer debt and eliminate unconscionable administrative fees of banks; demands for lower tuitions and forgiveness of student debt. But little notice is paid to some of the petit-bourgeois “I-want-it-all-and-I-want-it-now” (from the title of a song by the English rock group “Queen”) mentalities and behaviors that led to taking out mortgages, student and consumer debt that those now in distress should have known that there was no way they could handle the mortgage and other debt loads they undertook.

We have people protesting mortgage, consumer, and school and auto loan terms they wound up paying yes, partly, because they were desperate and given false promises, but also because they did not bother to read the fine print in the contracts they quickly signed and thus gave the banks open entry and season to exploit them. They often simply assumed, because they wanted to, that housing prices could never go down, and thus, each mortgage must create only equity (difference between estimated and “inevitable” rising market “value” of house versus and minus the declining debt on the house) on which further borrowing could be made. The mortgage, they assumed, could be turned into a cash machine for consumer loans using the house with rising equity as collateral. And if worse comes to worse, it was expressed, of course the house can be sold at a profit and even the profit used tax free to rollover into a new house and to pay off any consumer loans. There is no mention of personal responsibility, greed and illusions about the capitalist system and imperialism on the part of some of the demonstrators also involved in some of their own present misery.

We see demands for cheaper gas and university tuition, with not one word about the horrible price paid by so many innocents, all over the world; innocents suffering under dictatorships installed and maintained by the U.S. Imperium; innocents suffering as “collateral damage” in oil wars (all for relatively cheap gas at home to drive huge gas-guzzling SUVs giving the illusion of “safety and “security” for “soccer Moms” in suburbia). That is who some of the demonstrators, mostly floaters and not occupiers, are. And many of their issues are direct personal issues such as home foreclosures, student debt defaults, bankruptcies, rising tuitions, outsourcing and the like. The more macro issues such as deficits and debt crises, scope and pace of economic “recovery”, wealth and income inequalities widening, rising energy prices and “security” crises, appear all framed on the basic meme level (thought virus) with very little analysis of how to even properly measure, let alone assess the significance of, widening wealth and income inequalities or fiscal crises of the state etc.

In fact the issues raised by the typical demonstrators go way beyond those constituencies at OWS to those not represented on the signs, by particular victims or in their presences: American Indians; very poor and homeless women, children and men; abused children; foreign victims of U.S. imperialism abroad and of “labor aristocracies “at home. Further, we see the homeless people who often gravitate toward these demonstrations for food, panhandling, security of a group, to participate or to actually do the occupying part of the demonstrations, and they are often marginalized and treated with contempt and unkindly by some of those supposedly demonstrating such concern for justice, compassion and jobs in the abstract. I saw this over and over and have seen it over my 40-plus years of activism. Homeless people gravitate toward the warmth and security of the fires that were set in groups of encampments, and appeared to be immediately perceived to be and treated as “the other”. They were typically pushed away, by some folks all while so very openly, loudly, narcissistically and piously proclaiming their secular humanism or faith on their signs and in their rants. My mother used to call such types of persons: “the ones whose ‘bleeding hearts’ bleed so publicly, so piously, so theatrically and dramatically, for an amorphous ‘humanity’ (in the convenient and safe abstract sense), but are actually rather hateful, full of themselves and unkind to particular people in the concrete; and their ‘bleeding hearts’ always ‘bleed’ safely and at a distance—and always with the blood of others.”

The goals or demands in most of the Occupy demonstrations throughout the U.S. appear to parallel those of OWS. We see elsewhere typically signs demanding: Student loan forgiveness and reductions of tuitions; More and better jobs; Regulation of Wall Street speculation and speculators; Stop foreclosures of homes; Reduce wealth and income inequality; Stop bank bailouts and/or demands for bail-outs for foreclosures and student debt like those given the banks. The slogan “We are the 99%” gives an impression of fundamentally unified interests and homogeneity among this mythical 99% that will never occur as among the 99% are also rightists, collaborators and tools of the top 1% or even 10%, some of them workers and the like, who will never change and who help to keep that 1% in power.

We see continual references to some undefined mythical “American Dream” that has been supposedly “stolen”, “hijacked”, and “wiped-out” but that never was always in reality an illusion and myth. But few of the signs call for Ending U.S. Imperialism and Wars founded on lies in their name. Few have signs calling for ending state-sponsored terrorism by the number one source of it—U.S. Imperialism. Few call for ending prosperity in the West built and run on the backs of many victims paying in blood, war, misery and victims of dictators abroad (for relatively cheap oil, secure spheres of influence and raw materials, and the like) as well as at home. Few appear to see the dialectical relationship between wealth and poverty—globally, nationally and locally—under capitalism and imperialism. It is not a matter of concentrated wealth and income and or versus poverty, juxtaposed; it is about concentrated wealth and income because of poverty and vice versa. In other words, there is a causality not just correlation between wealth and poverty. Concentrated wealth and income exist because of —and are dialectically fed by –poverty and vice-versa.

Zhang Xinning: Alan Greenspan, who chaired the Federal Reserve for the two decades from 1987 to 2006, could be counted upon to deliver himself such statements as this: “Those of us who support market capitalism in its more competitive forms might argue that unfettered markets create a degree of wealth that fosters a more civilized existence. I have always found that insight compelling.” Unlike any other movement on the American left for at least three-quarters of a century, Occupy Wall Street movement began with a majority base of support. In the Occupy Wall Street Movement, some brought attitudes painted on signs,“ We are the 99 percent”; “ I hate drum circles but I hate corporate greed more”; “I choose to be aware”; “You can’t own land, it’s just as silly as owning the stars”; “99 to One: Those are great odds”. So, according to you, how can we analyze such phenomenon and explain the operation system of Wall Street?

James Craven: Many argue in the demonstrations for reform, or restructuring, or more regulation of capitalism. And for some of them even the demand to reform capitalism is a step forward from where they were as blind apologists of capitalism in need of no reform. But few see capitalism and imperialism as the root of many of these “single issues” that are not “single issues” at all. They are interdependent and the likely results of the core and defining features, contradictions and relations of imperialism, a whole globalized system not just a set of policies, that shape the systemic “logic” driving the ups-and-downs (vicissitudes), trajectories and crises of imperialism as a whole at home and globally. Imperialism is not simply some set of policies; it is a globalized system of domination and plunder from which many at home in the metropoles of the Imperium are both exploited and also beneficiaries (Lenin’s concept of the “Labor Aristocracy” in the Imperium) of the relative wealth extracted from abroad and brought “home”.

I see so far in this OWS Moment rather than Movement, that which is the usual buffet-style “radical activism” so common in the ultra-individualistic and materialistic West. Here we find integral and interdependent parts and issues of a totality (imperialism and capitalism) are often treated and focused on as “single issues” like individual food items on a buffet. They are promoted by “activists” according to impacts on their personal lives or those of loved ones. Like a buffet at a restaurant: “take a little of one or another of the ‘dishes’ (causes or single issues) to sample, according to your tastes and preferences”. It is sort of like the Telethons on television for various causes in which the movie stars are doing annual benefits for diabetes, cancer, multiple sclerosis etc depending upon which of those diseases hits the celebrity or his family personally. And it often comes off as whining, narcissism, selfishness, myopia, self-absorption and special pleading etc. because that is what it really is in some cases or even many cases.

Further, demonstrations and the anarchist notion of the educational and inspirational values of “politics of the deed” can be very theatrical, spontaneous, fluid, gratifying in terms of personal ego and narcissism. Best of all, these demonstrations give instant gratification and the illusion of actually doing something tangible and seeing “results” in the relative immediate (in press coverage and in the mutual congratulations and triumphalism during and following such demonstrations). Perhaps something like: “Hi honey I’m home. Had a hard day at the old demonstration against war and for peace. I had a daring sign saying that war is evil; the cops took my picture; I was interviewed by a TV reporter and told her I am against war; and I was almost gassed when I told a cop I had rights and could stand where I wanted. This class struggle and standing up for American democracy is tough work.”

Where mass work is slow, protracted and hard to measure the effectiveness of sometimes, it is indeed by its nature, especially living “inside the belly of the beast” in North America, a “Long March”. Demonstrations, on the other hand, can give a sense of shared participation and having done something real with immediate and visible results for the cause. “Politics-of-the-deed”, an anarchist construct, also employed by terrorists, is the notion that specific acts, through their creative, theatrical and daring nature, supposedly politicize the masses immediately or almost so, and set in motion questioning of the system by its very supporters. This is an anarchist notion; and of course nowhere and at no time in history have anarchists ever made and sustained a revolution or ever built a sustained a social formation out of a revolution.

The impotence of (quick, dirty and relatively cheap) terrorism chosen in lieu of protracted (costly and dirty) insurgency against imperialism and occupation, is mirrored by the impotence of counter-terrorism chosen in lieu of protracted counter-insurgency. Terrorism is attempted insurgency on the cheap just as counter-terrorism is attempted counter-insurgency on the cheap (in terms of blood, treasure and uncertain outcomes). Insurgency and counter-insurgency are about winning over “hearts and minds” which is a protracted and costly process, especially when the imperial tactics and strategy wind up making more enemies than friends and converts. Terrorism and its counterpart counter-terrorism, that often winds up as another form and source of terrorism, are in reality admissions of impotence and come from a need for some kind of immediate, dramatic and face-saving results that will then allow withdrawal from a conflict to be framed as “with honor” and as “Mission Accomplished”.

The same applies to Moments passed off as Movements that basically involve demonstrations and demonstrators and little else in the area of protracted mass work. It is an admission of impotence and inability to reach out to, listen to, relate to, link-up with, those abstract masses, the many millions who will not go to any demonstrations, but who are supposedly among the undefined and mythical “99%” being “represented” in the demonstrations. Demonstrations can be emotionally gratifying, can be photographed to show “proof” of commitment by physical presence, and they give a kind of feedback that is relatively immediate.

When you look at the messages on many of the signs, they often mirror the national narcissism, exclusivism and exceptionalism for which “American culture” is often portrayed, caricatured, and hated by many globally. The signs are really saying: “ME, ME, ME”; “Look at ME”; “MY special issue and cause is most critical and in need of funding [as “evidenced” by how big my sign is and how loud is my “bull-horn” or speaker]; “MY struggles and those of MY people need to be heard”; “MY disease deserves special funding for research”; “MY crisis du jour deserves special attention NOW!”; “MY distress needs to be alleviated no matter what resource constraints, no matter what my own hand in my present distress (e.g. taking out student loans, home mortgages, consumer loans, no concern with no realistic ability to repay or effects of potential loss of job) and no matter what other forms and sources of distress faced by others who are also competing for scarce resources to alleviate distress, clean up disasters, or prevent future forms of distress and disasters.” These are some of the real statements and intended memes behind or implied in the slogans, rants, memes and themes often articulated in mass demonstrations in the West. They reflect the selfishness, greed, ultra-individualism and petit-bourgeois mentalities that infect large segments of the “Left” in the West who often think they are somehow immune from the effects of living under capitalism on mass consciousness and the forms of rank individualism and selfishness they have also internalized and are expressing.

The single-issue nature of many of the demands on the signs carried by OWS demonstrators, come from the soil, culture, core “values” and institutions–and imperatives –of capitalism and imperialism as systems. We in the West who decry the ugly sides of American capitalism and Imperialism (narcissism, selfishness, crass materialism and consumerism, ultra-individualism, national chauvinism and Exclusivism-exceptionalism) often fail to realize and correct for the fact that we were raised in this culture, and, like a fish swimming in toxic sludge, we cannot but help to acquire some of the forms of imperial and capitalist cultural pollution in our own beings as well. We all have to struggle against that which is within us that comes from the system we live under even as, or actually especially as, we decry that system.

We see for example demonstrations pushing for causes and places geographically distant and “safe” (e.g. “Free Tibet” and to support the so-called Dalai Lama) places by demonstrators who could not find the places they are raising notice of on a blank map. I have given extra-credit assignments for my students to interview demonstrators supporting movements in other countries (at both right and left demonstrations) and to give them a basic questionnaire, including a blank world map, about the geographic location and features of the foreign societies they are demonstrating their concerns about .The levels of ignorance revealed in the results were profound. So we find nominal leftists protesting U.S. debt and dollars, held by China in particular, as some kind of existential threat per se; but I have seen not one word about the fact that no one in China forced anyone in America to borrow or the fact that historically China, including after 1949, has been a victim, and never a source, of imperialism, colonialism, debt peonage, encirclement or terrorism.

II. Central Contradictions of Capitalism

Zhang Xinning: Rather than taking responsibility of the financial crisis which had caused great suffering to people since the beginning of OWS, the super rich still enjoy favorable salaries and welfare. Data of Center on Budget and Policy Priorities showed that shares of total incomes taken by the wealthiest 1% have been raised since 1980 and peaked to 23.5% in 2007. Though the number has somewhat reduced a bit after financial crisis, it remained 20%, which illustrates the realities of US income and wealth gaps. The US unemployment rate of last August reached 8.1%. The unemployment rate in America has amounted to > 8% in the official rate for the past 43 months. The United States Census Bureau released its latest survey of poverty in America on Sep. 12nd, revealing that the ranks of those classified by the government as poor remained at record highs in 2011, while the gap between the rich and everyone else widened further. The annual Census report recorded a decline in median income for the second year in a row; a fall in workers’ wages, and a sharp increase in the number of workers holding down full-time jobs at near-poverty wages. Some demonstrators showed their dissatisfaction with the current situation and uncertain prospects.

During the demonstration on the first anniversary of OWS, some protesters said that nothing had changed in the past one year; “the super rich still control the US economy and Wall Street stands still”. Some demonstrators claimed that “the super rich on Wall Street are our common oppressors and 1% of the population has robbed the wealth of us 99%. We honor the first anniversary of OWS by making our own voices heard.” What do you think is the primary contradiction in the development of American economy and society? How to analyze such contradiction?

James Craven: One of the central contradictions of capitalism, (related to the primary contradiction of advanced capitalism between the further development of the productive forces on the one hand versus the increasing relative backwardness and retarding force of existing and evolving relations of production on the other hand) is made more intense with the ripening of capitalism into the stages of monopoly capitalism and imperialism. This is the contradiction between the imperative for and production of surplus value on the one hand, versus or against, the imperative for and realization of that same surplus value on the other hand.

To produce maximum possible surplus value, requires and leads to among workers: specialization; integration; coordination and cooperation; interdependence; holistic and systems thinking and planning; ability to delay immediate gratification and reward; discipline and sustained focus; sacrifice for the collective; agenda and goals collectively set and pursued in concert; etc. These same behavioral traits and values are also required for the planning and logistics of successful demonstrations and the development of Moments beyond mere Moments, into sustainable Movements that have any chance of impacts beyond their time and place.

But the actual realization of maximum possible surplus value (that is only potentially embodied in the production of it in the commodity produced, but not yet actually realized from and only when the actual sale of the commodity and the actual receipt of revenues from all accounts receivable accrue), requires a different and even contradictory set of proclivities and values on the part of those who actually buy, pay for and use the same commodities. Capitalism not only requires mass production but also mass consumption—and by those with the means to actually buy and also pay for (two distinct processes with credit and debt involved) commodities sought and bought. The actual realization of the surplus value only potentially embodied in the production of the commodity (when produced at the lowest possible total private costs relative to expected or potential revenues) only occurs with effective demand translated into actual sales that bring home profits that actually accrue, actually received, when all accounts receivable have been cleared.

The type of person needed under capitalism for the ongoing and expanding markets and purchases and for the realization surplus value, is one who is typically: egoistic; impulsive; individualistic; wants it all and wants it now; unable to delay gratification; ultra-individualistic and competitive; selfish; materialistic and acquisitive; shallow and obsessed with fads and materialism; irrational; narcissistic; willing to go into debt to “have it all and have it now”; irrational in terms of assessing real costs and benefits; etc.

This is NOT the type of person, however, that one wants in combat in the military, as a spouse or in-law, as someone in a position of trust, as say a physician. This type of selfish, egoistic, competitive and individualistic “Economic Man” stands in stark contrast and contradiction with the kind of worker, and person needed for the production of maximum possible surplus value: disciplined; focused; non-impulsive; able to delay gratification; cooperative; able to sacrifice for the team; rational and steady; socially as well as individually oriented, calculates true and long-run costs and benefits and risks not just immediate and short-run costs versus benefits.

This same kind of contradiction shows up in the OWS demonstrations between the production of mass demonstrations intended and likely to have real and lasting mass effects on mass populations (requiring leadership, structure, agenda, tactics and strategy, cooperation, surrender of egos, coordination, compromise on agenda etc) versus the actual results that appear to have been achieved and realized in these demonstrations so far as evidenced by variations in numbers and the extent to which say weather affects their turnout numbers.

Demonstrations intended to produce impacts on policies and issues and show solidarity on a range of commonly-agreed-upon issues, are undermined and sabotaged by: egotism; sectarianism; single-issues; lack of planning and logistics; a carnival-like atmosphere; petit-bourgeois libertine behaviors such as dope smoking, drinking alcohol, open sex, and other forms of behavior; infantile theatrics, and alienating the public support; mindless violence and property destruction; etc.

What often shows up in demonstrations in the West, particularly in America and Canada, is a mélange of single-issues and single-issue demands, pushed by individuals or small sub-groups, often dressed provocatively, with their own agenda and emotionally–gratifying theatrics, like a cacophony of loud and even opposing voices drowning each other out. We see windows of stores and banks smashed, non-participants in the demonstrations turned off and not even one word as to why a particular bank is chosen to have its windows smashed and how that might educate and mobilize “the masses” to “join in”—and to “join in” what exactly?

Zhang Xinning: Some scholars argue that OWS has somehow made influential impacts on American society. They see demands for social justice and equality have increased and enjoyed popular support. As for the demonstrators of OWS, “Occupy” itself is seen as a “movement” and now, in retrospect, an institution. They see OWS and other “Occupy” demonstrations around the U.S. as embodying democratic practices, during which problems, targets and strategies are discussed democratically as are tactics. As to the U.S. Government, it also has begun to focus on the problems shown in OWS. How do you regard such kinds of changes on the part of the public and government?

James Craven: These demonstrations are costly for the State to cover and make arrests, which elements of the State are often able to turn around against the demands by protestors for more not less public programs to redress the ugly sides of capitalism. We hear an accounting of the stretched public budgets and resources lost for those programs being advocated allegedly due to the costs of covering the demonstrations themselves. Often the timing of the protests also guarantee that few currently employed persons at work are able to join in thus giving the impression that the protests are only by those directly interested in: jobs—for themselves and their families; their personal student loans; their personal mortgages; their personal right to serve in the military even in imperialist wars regardless of sexual orientation; their right to marry whom they love; their right to cheap oil and gas; their right to lower tuitions and lower interest rates on student loans; etc.

Two to three years ago, there was no real mention of wealth and income inequalities in America or globally between nations in the demonstrations of the time. The slogan of the 99% vs. 1% was not a common meme. There is some vague notion that wealth and income inequalities that are “too unequal” are problematic in some amorphous ways; but little specifics or analysis of how and why. If you ask those whose signs protest wealth and income inequalities in America (few mention globally) specific questions about their demands and why, few can answer. What is the difference between wealth and income? What are the constructs like Gini coefficient used to measure wealth and income inequality and what do they hide? Why do wealth and income inequalities become self as well as mutually-reproducing and reinforcing? How do they affect structures of aggregate demand and supply, investment, employment, money supply and demand, saving, lending, commodity prices, inter-sectoral flows that are often more important than actual levels or volumes of those flows? What happens when access to political power is itself a commodity for sale and wealth-income inequalities widen? How do wealth and income inequalities feed and reinforce each other and how are they measured?

The impression that appears to be conveyed is that these demonstrations are mostly outlets for anger, reaction, fear, envy, feelings of impotence, and a range of other emotions. Demonstrations can be useful; but they can never substitute for, and in fact can be calculated diversions from, the hard and protracted work of organizing, recruiting, fund raising, self-education and the education of others, planning, linking-up and movement building and consolidation of a united front against fascism, imperialism and war which is our main mandate today in today’s world facing today’s crises and their fundamental origins.

III. Development and direction of the movement

Zhang Xinning: 99% and 1% appears to have been the most resonant slogan chanted. It shows that the 99% has united to protest the 1%. The most impressive scene the OWS has left for us is the anger of demonstrators against social inequality. “We are the 99%” has proved to be most resonant. On protester’s website in Seattle, the movement is referred to as “a leaderless protest by people of different colors, genders and political beliefs.” “The only common thing we share is: we make-up 99% of the society and we can no longer bear the greed and corruption of the 1%”. A fairly interesting thing happened in Boston: hundreds of Harvard students started an occupation of Harvard yard. They staged a walkout of Prof. Greg Mankiw’s popular class of Economics 101 lecturing on income inequality to protest what they saw as biased teachings. What do you think of the protest of 99% against the 1%?

James Craven: Bertolt Brecht once noted: “In the contradiction lies the hope”. Here he notes basic principles of dialectics that 1) all things possess and are made up of unique contradictions, opposing forces and tendencies, that make up a unity or whole of internal opposites, the struggles and balances of which drive the phenomenon in which they reside and that they define; 2) internal contradictions are the basis of change and external forces are conditions of change; 3) all things are in process, from simple to higher orders of complexity, and in each phenomenon or whole system, the same forces and contradictions that produce change and development, eventually come into contradiction with the further development and existence of the phenomenon—the negation of the negation; construction and de-construction are dialectically related as each is requisite to, and defines, the other.

But to plan and harness forces and processes of destruction of the old that are requisite for construction of the new is no easy matter. Growth, development, progress, liberation, and all of history itself are not smooth, linear, exponential, unidirectional, upward (from barbarism to “civilization”) processes. They often involve two steps forward for one step backward; they may involve two steps backward for every one step forward; they may involve leaps of alleged “stages” and sequences of stages; they may involve total regression back to conditions that existed hundreds of years in the past. But it is clear that: “It is better to know where to go and not know how than it is to know how to go and not know where.” It is core interests and values that inform vision; it is vision that informs strategy; it is vision and strategy that inform and set mission. Often it is the other way around given as mission, vision and values rather than values, vision and mission.

On this first question on the state of the Moment and if it can turn into a Movement, let’s discuss the central meme (thought virus) of the alleged 99% against the top 1% of wealth and income holders. On one level it focuses more on class than on the other dimensions and forms of exploitation, division and inequality under imperialism: gender; age; race; ethnicity; religion; urban v rural; mental v physical labor; etc. That is welcomed and needed. The fundamental basis of oppression under capitalism is and always has been class. And within class we find other forms of oppression based on gender, race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation etc.

But as shorthand, this mythical “99%” leaves a lot to be desired because it gives an impression of essential intra-class homogeneity as well as inter-class non-adversarial relations, and hides profound contradictions among and within the top 1% as well as the bottom 90%… Among those 99% are those among the lumpenproletatiat by choice—criminals psychopaths and sociopaths who have historically been recruited as thugs by the 1%.

There are petit-bourgeois intellectuals who will trade the illusion of security and safety for their illusion of liberty and their comfortable academic wombs. There are management types who will downsize their own mothers and fathers for job security and a promotion. And there are among the 1% there are some who have more of a sense of capitalism as an historical mode of production and stage of human history rather than a permanent and highest stage of human achievement. This 1% versus the 99% meme may be useful in some organizing, but it glosses over a reality that is even more pronounced in the West than elsewhere—the increasing roles of superstructure and increasing sophistication of methods and instruments of superstructure, in the overall mode of production (monopoly capitalism) of the social formation (neo imperialism) of the U.S.

By superstructure, sometimes called SSAs or Social Structure of Accumulation, or Social Capital by others, we mean basically the politico-legal, socio-cultural, historical-geographic dimensions (institutions, power relations and structures, contexts, traditions, laws and constraints, rewards and incentives etc) that shape and are shaped by the dimensions of the economic base made up of 1) forces and means of production and distribution of means of subsistence; 2) social, economic and power (class and strata) relations between individuals and groups involved in production and distribution of means of subsistence; 3) Technology and various contexts within which technology is developed and applied.

And we know more and more, from history and science, that in all social formations and modes of production that make them up, economic bases and superstructures are dialectically related with each fundamental to the other. Human beings cannot make art, literature, law, or anything unless they subsist; and they cannot subsist without an economic base that produces and distributes the means of subsistence. On the other hand, although economic and other aspects of reality exist objectively and independent of our consciousness of them, there is an objective reality even if we only get glimpses of aspects of reality, we interact with all aspects of reality around us through the mind, and the constructs of the mind; and thus superstructure conditions and mediates all of our perceptions and reactions and interactions with the aspects of realities of which we are also integral parts.

In new studies of cognitive science, neurobiology and related disciplines, empirical evidence shows three fundamental facts: 1) the human mind is inherently embodied (in the human body and human physiology as well as in the various social contexts under which one lives); 2) human thought is mostly (>95%) unconscious; and the unconscious processes shape and structure conscious thought; 3) abstract thought and constructs are largely metaphorical. The old notions of the Enlightenment of individualism, notions of pure “logic” and “thought and reason” outside of the human being, with discoveries of some of the autonomic and unconscious all internal processes that mediate and shape thought within the human being, has been challenged by scientific work in brain science and cognitive psychology and other disciplines.

These facts have to be handled carefully, however, as for example, as early as 1907 Louis Boudin, in his “The Theoretical System of Karl Marx”, noted that this kind of work in cognitive psychology (about the unconscious structuring the conscious etc that was going on then from the work of Freud) was being used to promote rank idealism and notions that there is no independent or objective reality outside of consciousness of it; that perception is the only reality. But it does show we need to be increasingly mindful of just how constrained, programmed, resistant to change and the unknown we humans really are and through what kinds of constraints, we humans are limited in the areas of cognition, reason, logic, science, and even overall “rationality”.

That means that superstructure, and new SSAs and their effects on human consciousness, perception, cognition (including those weapons of mass distraction aimed at those who would be OWS protesters) and potential resistance to oppression, are the objects of attention increasingly by the forces of reaction—the ones controlled by that 1%. This issue has to be taken seriously and it has not in my opinion been taken seriously up to this point. Again, we on the Left need to do serious self-examination and self-criticism of our slogans, methods of organization and protest, methods of teaching and learning, as well as of our own ideologies, memes and themes. We need to see that it is not just everyone else who is a product of and shaped by capitalism and imperialism; but that we are also among those also shaped by the very system we protest against; a system and its rewards of plunder from the periphery that accrue to many of us in the 99% at home in the metropolis of imperialism.

We also need to keep in mind that, as the Nazis demonstrated clearly, it is quite possible for a relative few to trick and induce fear in the many that outnumber them by thousands to one, to induce them to literally walk to their deaths, and even take their loved ones with them knowing the fate that awaits them, rather than meet their certain fate on their feet in combat against their murderers. Throughout history, there are accounts of incredible courage; but also there are accounts of treason, cowardice, collusion due to the fears of human beings, of the unknown and uncertain, having paralyzing and reactionary effects on humans and their willingness to get rid of their illusions and creature comforts and resist that should never be underestimated.

Zhang Xinning: American intellectuals have been concentrating on OWS since its very beginning in Sep, 2011. They have opened related courses, published articles and books, issued the Occupy Movement toward social sciences field in America. The International Left Forum with the theme of Occupy the System—Confronting Global Capitalism held in Pace University, Lower Manhattan, New York from Mar. 16th-Mar.18th, 2012 is a direct response to OWS from a global and historic sense. Recently, in retrospect, many American scholars showed insightful thoughts of the strengths and weaknesses of OWS in the past one year. Some suggest that capitalist countries make significant economic transformations. Others consider that America may have to take a kind of 10-year-modification path over the next ten years. Still some others claim that we must set a moderate path for a brand new government. Some hold that OWS is a victory and it has brought changes to the American politics and culture and has motivated the conservatives; yet some others denied the significance of the movement. According to you, how will the movement develop and what about the direction of the movement?

James Craven: We see in America and elsewhere, new research into areas of: “manufacturing [mass] consent; interrogation; subliminal mind control and influence; memetics (how to effectively spread memes or thought viruses); brain science; operant and respondent conditioning; surveillance; mental illness and therapy; hypnosis; lie detection; optics and acoustics; psychological warfare; weapons of mass distraction and diversion; chemical, biological and atomic tools, weapons and weapons systems that are more lethal, compact, mobile, flexible, adaptable, covert, standardized, specialized and terrifying when delivered. These and other “advances” in the hardware and software of the national security state and fascism are applied in various places but have intended effects on Americans as well as non-Americans.

Where Marx and others thought that the material conditions of advanced capitalism were necessary for workers to learn, in the workplace, attitudes, values and proclivities necessary for revolution (socialization and integration of productive forces forcing cooperation, solidarity, coordinated specialization, holistic and long-run thinking etc) Marx was not in a position in history, under existing conditions of advanced or ripe monopoly capitalism, to predict or analyze just how enticing, alluring, sophisticated, divisive, reactionary and lethal could be the distractions, sedatives, illusions, diversions, “tang yi pao dan” (sugar-coated bullets), “mian zhao” (masks), “divide-and-rule” mechanisms and reality escapes delivered by the superstructures of monopoly capitalism; particularly American monopoly capitalism. This cannot be underestimated.

In my opinion, one of the great contributions of Mao Zedong to Marxism was not only to rescue some of Marxism from vulgar materialism, “stage-ism”, one-directional causality between base and superstructure, and vulgar slogan mongering, but it was to show the dialectical unity and “causality” between elements of an integrated social formation and modes of production within it (economic, politico-legal, historic-geographic, socio-cultural) and to show that dialectical unity of base and superstructure in modes of production and the wider social formations. Mao understood that all social formations or whole societies are dynamic complexes of interrelated modes of production, some of which are remnants of the past, one of which is the dominant and defining mode of production in the present—for now—and there are embryonic seeds of future modes of production to come. He also understood that forces and legacies of the past act on and constrain the present, and what is tactically possible in the present, in various ways including holding back new ideas and relations more suited to new realities.

In the case of the U.S. and I would say Canada and Europe also, but the U.S. to the greatest extent where the creature comforts, distractions, promises, and credit to access some of the promises are most available, there is the problem, and a major obstacle to development of a real national Movement beyond any Moment. One real obstacle to a national Movement against imperialism is that is that the more one has acquired materially, and thus the more one has to lose, the more one is often driven not just to resist those who have granted token and illusory privileges, but either: a) to fight more fiercely against losses of relative privilege as well as to threats and sources of threats of losses of relative privilege by reacting to, dividing from and aiding the repression of those with even less (“better them than me”); and/or b) to compromise even more, to sell out others, to trade away some liberty and that of others for the illusion of some personal security and wealth, and also be willing to rationalize and defend having sold out more fiercely to mitigate losses. This “Faustian Bargain” is one of the oldest known in human history and was the basis for the aphorism by Benjamin Franklin: “Those who would trade away some personal liberty [and that of others] for [personal or that of loved ones] security will neither attain nor deserve either.” There is also the notorious “short memories” produced in America by the plethora of attention-grabbing, titillating, alluring and manipulative media, diversions, lies and toys pushed incessantly by monopoly capital.

I fear that rather than the notion of “the more advanced and ripe the capitalism, the more the material conditions for revolutionary thinking by the working class and the formation of a truly working-class party”, it may well be the opposite case in some countries. I fear that the more advanced the capitalism, and thus the more pervasive, sophisticated and accessible the diversions, allures, lies, means of lying, distractions, sedatives, instruments of mind and soul control and manipulation passed on by superstructure and culture to the masses, the less, not more, likely revolution, revolutionary thinking or a genuine revolutionary Movement beyond some reformist Moments. And thus, as capitalism and imperialism ripen, the less, not more, the prospects for a revolutionary and transformative Movement and the less, not more, the kinds of significant changes imperative to prevent total collapse of the system and others around it, war and even destruction of the whole planet.

I do not see much coming from many of the self-professed and apparently detached radical intellectuals. We often find them hiding under relatively safe names and labels like “Heterodox Economics”, “New Political Economy”, “Progressive Economics”, “Marxian Scholarship” (like an archeologist of old and obsolete ideologies) and the like. They mostly write in journals even they do not read in total let alone that are read and used many others. They often write on subjects of personal interest in terms of building some academic market niche. They do little work in the field close to, or in venues frequented by, the subjects they write about. They seldom call back on those they have used for their “research” and notches on their CVs. They often write in stilted, formulaic and pretentious syntax, verbiage and vocabulary. Some of them, without speaking a word of Chinese or ever having been to China, for example, have all sorts of things to say and criticize about China; some of it right out of the Cold War 1950s, but have nothing to say about what is going on right under their noses, on American Indian reservations, in African-American ghettos, among exploited immigrants, among abused women and children, right up the freeways from their locations and in their name.

Not all of those in the 1% will remain there among the 1%; and of those, not all will be a sworn enemy. On the other hand, not all of those in the 99% will prove virtuous, revolutionary or on the side of human progress and decency. Some of them will be thugs, criminals, sell-outs, poseurs, posturers, petit-bourgeois meme merchants and academic turf builders and the like. But I will bet on the fundamental contradictions of imperialism forcing all sorts of attitude and behavior adjustments without which no revolutionary change is possible; or, this planet and all of humanity on it are in deep trouble with little future ahead.

Again, as Bertolt Brecht put it: “In the contradiction lies the hope”.


About jimcraven10

About jimcraven10 1. Citizenship: Blackfoot, U.S. and Canadian; 2. Position: tenured Professor of Economics and Geography; Dept. Head, Economics; 3. Teaching, Consulting and Research experience: approx 40 + years all levels high school to post-doctoral U.S. Canada, Europe, China, India, Puerto Rico and parts of E. Asia; 4. Work past and present: U.S. Army 1963-66; Member: Veterans for Peace; former VVAW; Veterans for 9-11 Truth; Scholars for 9-11 Truth; Pilots for 9-11 Truth; World Association for Political Economy; Editorial Board International Critical Thought; 4.. U.S. Commercial-Instrument Pilot ; FAA Licensed Ground Instructor (Basic, Advanced, Instrument and Simulators); 5. Research Areas and Publications: International law (on genocide, rights of nations, war and war crimes); Imperialism (nature, history, logic, trajectories, mechanisms and effects); Economic Geography (time and space modeling in political economy; globalization--logic and effects; Political Economy and Geography of Imperialism); Indigenous versus non-Indigenous Law; Political Economy of Socialism and Socialist Construction; 6. Member, Editorial Board, "International Critical Thought" published by the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences; International Advisory Board and Columnist 4th Media Group, (Beijing); 7. Other Websites publications at;;; 8.Biography available in: Marquis Who’s Who: in the World (16th-18th; 20th; 22nd -31st (2014) Editions); Who’s Who in America (51st-61st;63rd-68th(2014) Editions); Who’s Who in the West (24th- 27th Editions);Who’s Who in Science and Engineering (3rd to 6th, 8th, 11th (2011-2012) Editions); Who’s Who in Finance and Industry (29th to 37th Editions); Who’s Who in American Education (6th Edition). ------------------- There are times when you have to obey a call which is the highest of all, i.e. the voice of conscience even though such obedience may cost many a bitter tear, and even more, separation from friends, from family, from the state, to which you may belong, from all that you have held as dear as life itself. For this obedience is the law of our being. ~ Mahatma Gandhi
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